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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Lambertus,<br><br>attached is a patch that implements the new option:<br><font style="" face="Courier New"> --num-tiles A target value that is used when no split-file is given.<br> Splitting is done so that the given number of tiles is<br> produced. The max-nodes value is ignored if this option is<br> given.<br><font style="" face="Calibri">A compiled b</font><font style="" face="Calibri">inary is here:<br></font></font><br><code><a href="http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/206/splitter.jar" target="_blank">http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/206/splitter.jar</a><br><br><font style="" face="Calibri">Please let me know if it works as expected.</font><br><br><font style="" face="Calibri">Gerd</font><br></code><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 22:20:20 +0200<br>From: osm@na1400.info<br>To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk<br>Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br><br>
Great, many thanks. I'm currently trying to create as large as
(automatically) possible contour tiles and a lot of time is put in
subsplitting a tile again and again until two subtiles appear. This
new option would save much time.<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 05/04/2014 10:13 PM, Gerd Petermann
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Lambertus,<br>
<br>
yes, I want to code that tomorrow. I prefer to make it "give me
n tiles", but if that turns out to be <br>
difficult I try the simple version. I can think of scenarios
where it is not possible to create exactly<br>
n tiles.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 22:08:32 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osm@na1400.info">osm@na1400.info</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br>
<br>
Is the 'just give me two tiles' option for splitter on the
to-do list? I'd really appreciate such a function.<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 05/04/2014 09:36 PM, Gerd
Petermann wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
> would using the precomp-sea parameter for splitter
improve results? It's not that tiles with loads of sea
actually failed. <br>
<br>
good question. I've coded that parameter in splitter
before we did some important changes in mkgmap.<br>
I think it is needed when you use a polygon file in<br>
combination with an imput file that doesn't cover the
polygon. <br>
If the polygon covers a costline with a lot of islands,
but the input file doesn't contain the data,<br>
splitter might create large tiles covering these "empty"
areas. Later, in mkgmap, the empty<br>
areas are filled with the precompiled-sea data, and that
can cause too large files.<br>
<br>
BTW: The quick hack turned out to be useless. It worked
better in some areas and worse in others.<br>
I'll look again at this later next week.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 21:21:59
+0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br>
<br>
No - I use splitter like this - with maxnodes depending
on area - I usually just reduced it after failures to
compile a tile.:<br>
java -Xms4000m -Xmx10400m -jar
c:\openmtbmap\splitter.jar --max-nodes=%maxnodes%
--max-threads=8 --output=pbf --keep-complete
--max-areas=1524 --geonames-file=cities5000
--description=%country% --mapid=%FID%0000
c:\OpenMTBMap\osmpbf_geofabrik\%country%-latest.osm.pbf<br>
would using the precomp-sea parameter for splitter
improve results? It's not that tiles with loads of sea
actually failed. <br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 03.05.2014 09:00,
Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I've coded a quick hack which seems to improve the
ratios.<br>
On the other hand, I don't see these large
differences between<br>
smallest and largest img file. <br>
What part of the world should I try?<br>
Do you use the precomp-sea parameter in splitter?<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014
14:59:32 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br>
<br>
if that doesn't seriously (more than 30-40%) slow
down the splitter, I assume it would be much
better...<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 30.04.2014
14:06, Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br>
<br>
if I got that right the number of nodes is
not <br>
highly correlated to the img size, so the
max-nodes<br>
value is not a good estimate.<br>
<br>
I assume the reason is that nodes which
belong to<br>
roads produce a lot more bytes<br>
in the img file compared to nodes which are
parts<br>
of shapes or other non-routable ways, not
talking<br>
about nodes which are simply ignored by the
style.<br>
<br>
So, a possible solution in splitter could be
to parse <br>
the ways before reading the nodes and save
all nodeids<br>
which belong to ways with highway=*.<br>
If these nodes are refered by more than one
way with highway=*<br>
we assume that they will be routing nodes.<br>
These special nodes could be counted e.g. 10
times to <br>
give a better estimate.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<div>> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:36:19
+0200<br>
> From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osm@na1400.info">osm@na1400.info</a><br>
> To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo
list<br>
> <br>
> Multithreading the tile rendering for
a single map is indeed a bit <br>
> difficult and I gave it up because
you need to keep track which image <br>
> id's are already in use. Since I
provide multiple maps the work-around <br>
> is running a few scripts parallel,
which is also a crude form of <br>
> multithreading.<br>
> <br>
> The script language is PHP and it
doesn't run on Windows without some <br>
> changes ('/' vs '\' in paths, 'rm
-rf', that sort of stuff). Never tried it.<br>
> <br>
> To get a better optimum in file size,
using the process I described <br>
> earlier, you could start off with a
huge --max-nodes setting and then <br>
> 'search' for the highest --max-nodes
that works for each specific area.<br>
> <br>
> On 30/04/2014 11:49, Felix Hartmann
wrote:<br>
> > I would love if there was a
possibility that you pass the used
max-nodes<br>
> > value to mkgmap.<br>
> > When mkgmap is compiling the
maps, then after the .img is created it<br>
> > should check<br>
> > a) did it crash due to too many
max-nodes<br>
> > b) for me not important - but
for others with very old GPS, etrex 10,<br>
> > ---> is tile bigger than X
(usually 8) MB.<br>
> ><br>
> > if a) or b) true, then pass the
file back to splitter and split with 60%<br>
> > of maxnodes - and compile the
resulting .img files again. Should it fail<br>
> > again, use 40%, again 25%...
Sometimes there are awful tiles, that need<br>
> > supersmall max-nodes till they
compile, however lately (last 1-2 years)<br>
> > I never encountered them
anymore. I think that happened rather due
to a<br>
> > but in splitter/mgkmap that is
fixed now.<br>
> ><br>
> > okay, you could also do this
with a script, but it gets rather<br>
> > complicated to multithread it
(you need to wait till mgkmap finished<br>
> > compiling all .img files - and
run mkgmap first without address index to<br>
> > save time) and do some clever
routines on making sure that the map id<br>
> > (e.g. 6340????.img) stay
correct. Even more complicated to have<br>
> > consequent map id...<br>
> ><br>
> > For europe with a fixed max-node
I get tiles from 1.9MB up to 18MB.<br>
> > That's factor 9 - so it's
huge...<br>
> > If I could narrows that down
easily to 8-18MB - without getting tiles<br>
> > crashing due to too high
max-nodes values, that would be sweet.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > As for the scripts - would they
run on windows too? - What programming<br>
> > language are they in?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 29.04.2014 21:39, <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osm@na1400.info">osm@na1400.info</a>
wrote:<br>
> >> Oh, and ofcourse anyone
interested can get my scripts, send an
email.<br>
> >> They'll be on Github someday
anyway.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On 2014-04-29 20:37, Gerd
Petermann wrote:<br>
> >>> Hi Lambertus,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> okay, if I got that
right you finally get *.img files with a
size<br>
> >>> near (but below) 8MB, so
maybe Henning can use that script, too.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> If you do that for e.g.
Germany, how small is tpically the
smallest<br>
> >>> *.img file ?<br>
> >>> Is it probably near 4
MB?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Gerd<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 29 Apr
2014 20:30:27 +0200<br>
> >>>> From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osm@na1400.info">osm@na1400.info</a><br>
> >>>> Subject: Re:
[mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> These are the direct
results from Splitter. The format is o5m,
both<br>
> >>>> input as output.
Splitter version is: r321.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> For this test I
split the original source with
--max-nodes=8000000.<br>
> >>> Then<br>
> >>>> I render the initial
tiles, when the result is larger than 8MB
it's<br>
> >>>> subsplit again with
--max-nodes=(8000000-(attempt*100000)).
The<br>
> >>> initial<br>
> >>>> source files are
~70MB (o5m) and after several subsplits
the two<br>
> >>> *.img<br>
> >>>> are < 8MB. During
this process --max-nodes has been reduced
to e.g.<br>
> >>>> 7500000 and the
source file is split up in two o5m files
of about<br>
> >>> 37MB.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I can upload an
example source file and it's two subsplit
siblings<br>
> >>> if<br>
> >>>> you want.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On 2014-04-29 19:38,
GerdP wrote:<br>
> >>>> > Hi Lambertus,<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > that's
interesting. Are these the img file sizes
or the osm file<br>
> >>> sizes?<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > Gerd<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > Lambertus wrote<br>
> >>>> >>
Unfortunately I cannot confirm that. Below
is a bit of logging<br>
> >>> from my<br>
> >>>> >> script:<br>
> >>>> >> Original:
97000020 (70551453), New: 0 (35684445),
New: 1<br>
> >>> (36852845)<br>
> >>>> >> Original:
97000001 (74621042), New: 0 (37522992),
New: 1<br>
> >>> (37222739)<br>
> >>>> >> Original:
97000002 (73391358), New: 0 (37679505),
New: 1<br>
> >>> (38098627)<br>
> >>>> >> Original:
97000003 (77862567), New: 0 (39075311),
New: 1<br>
> >>> (39261197)<br>
> >>>> >><br>
> >>>> >> The
original files above contain contour data,
the filesize is<br>
> >>> between<br>
> >>>> >> brackets.
As you can see both resulting file are
approximately<br>
> >>> the<br>
> >>>> >> same<br>
> >>>> >> size.<br>
> >>>> >><br>
> >>>> >> On
2014-04-29 15:39, Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
> >>>> >>> Hi
Lambertus,<br>
> >>>> >>><br>
> >>>> >>> and I
guess that even after this optimization
you will<br>
> >>>> >>> see a
factor 3 or higher between the largest
tile and the<br>
> >>> smallest.<br>
> >>>> >>> Can you
confirm that?<br>
> >>>> >>><br>
> >>>> >>> Gerd<br>
> >>>> >>><br>
> >>>> >>>>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:32:38 +0200<br>
> >>>> >>>>
From:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >> osm@<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >>>> To:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@.org">mkgmap-dev@.org</a><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap ToDo list<br>
> >>>> >>>><br>
> >>>> >>>>
Num-tiles=x would indeed be better for
this specific need.<br>
> >>>> >>>><br>
> >>>> >>>> It
is my experience that it regularly takes
multiple calls to<br>
> >>>> >>>
Splitter<br>
> >>>> >>>> to
get 2+ sub-tiles when you reduce the
max-nodes by 100k for<br>
> >>> each<br>
> >>>> >>>>
sub-split attempt. This is what I
currently do to get an<br>
> >>> optimum in<br>
> >>>> >>>>
tile-size vs total number of tiles.<br>
> >>>> >>>><br>
> >>>> >>>><br>
> >>>> >>>><br>
> >>>> >>>> On
29/04/2014 15:09, Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> Hi Lambertus,<br>
> >>>> >>>>
><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> that sounds like a possible change in
splitter:<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> Instead of specifying max-nodes you
may specify --num-tiles=x<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> and splitter will try to find a split
that produces excactly<br>
> >>> x<br>
> >>>> >>> tiles<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> which are not too narrow and have a
node number which is not<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> too far from the average (but still
aligned to a multiple of<br>
> >>> map<br>
> >>>> >>> units<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> as now).<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> So, for your script that means you
don't have to find the<br>
> >>>> >>>
max-nodes<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> value.<br>
> >>>> >>>>
><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> I'll think about this again...<br>
> >>>> >>>>
><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> Gerd<br>
> >>>> >>>>
><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:59:36
+0200<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > From:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >> osm@<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > To:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@.org">mkgmap-dev@.org</a><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap
ToDo list<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > While this possibly can be
solved in Splitter or Mkgmap, it<br>
> >>>> >>> could
also<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > be solved by your build-script
when you add a maximum tile<br>
> >>> size<br>
> >>>> >>> check<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > and re-split (with a lower
number of max-nodes) until you<br>
> >>> get<br>
> >>>> >>> two or<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > more sub-tiles. Granted, this
adds complexity to the script<br>
> >>> but<br>
> >>>> >>> it
works<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > well for me.<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > On 25/04/2014 21:54, Henning
Scholland wrote:<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > Hi Gerd,<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > I would like to have
img-tiles which have globally nearly<br>
> >>> the<br>
> >>>> >>> same<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > filesize, so that they use
the space of devices like<br>
> >>> eTrex 10.<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > With my actual map I use
globally the same value for<br>
> >>>> >>>
max-nodes. But the<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > size of the img-tiles
differ more then factor 2. Eg. a<br>
> >>> tile in<br>
> >>>> >>> Germany<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > is between 2 and 5 mb where
a tile in China is about 10<br>
> >>> mb. If<br>
> >>>> >>> I
remove<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > details, this difference
will increase, because in<br>
> >>> Germany<br>
> >>>> >>> more
objects<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > will be removed from the
img-tile then in China.<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > > Henning<br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > ><br>
> >>>> >>>>
> > >
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