<div dir="ltr">well we already have code (it's a patch still I think?) to remove roads with connection to only one side. --> set mkgmap:set_semi_connected_type=none;<div>Maybe we could have a filter to remove all semi_connected_type lines with min length? 4-5m long roads that are only semi connected will be just adding clutter anyway. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't think we lose any essential streets by removing them. Maybe only do not remove them if an address is attached to them (not autogenerated address - but fully entered in OSM)?</div><div>And yes removing supershort roads and copying the restrictions to the adjoining ones would be best I guess.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 March 2018 at 18:11, Mike Baggaley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@tvage.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@tvage.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Gerd,<br>
<br>
If we take for example that the connection between each two nodes is a<br>
separate way, with different properties which may affect routing, then any<br>
properties in the ways in the spike will have no effect on routing. Let's<br>
say that the side road in the screenshots has no access restrictions between<br>
the 1st and 2nd points, bars traffic between the 2nd and 3rd, then has no<br>
restrictions after that. With the current code, the access restriction will<br>
be in the spike and hence will not prevent routing past the end of the<br>
spike, providing the route doesn't attempt to go down the spike. Based on<br>
that, as a first stab, we would be no worse off by just deleting the spike<br>
whatever its access restrictions may be.<br>
<br>
The ideal would be that having detected that a road with no junctions has<br>
looped back to the same co-ordinate, check whether the loopback has access<br>
restrictions or highway type which are more restrictive than the ones either<br>
side. If not, just delete the spike. If the loopback is more restrictive,<br>
delete the spike and move the restrictions to one side or the other.<br>
Probably would also be useful to output a message saying a spike has been<br>
deleted; the mapper could then review the OSM data with a view to making it<br>
more mkgmap friendly, providing this can be achieved without compromising<br>
the OSM representation (I have no idea how many spikes might be detected).<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
Cheers,<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
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From: Gerd Petermann [mailto:<a href="mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com">gpetermann_muenchen@<wbr>hotmail.com</a>]<br>
</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Sent: 09 March 2018 16:12<br>
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Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Hi Mike,<br>
<br>
the problem in the sample is that there are 5 ways, each with 2 nodes.<br>
So, we cannot delete any node without also deleting the corresponding way,<br>
and that would mean that we might remove important routing information.<br>
<br>
Besides that you are right, we have to detect that spike. I just think that<br>
the solution<br>
is to move all nodes to the same Garmin point, so we have two ways at that<br>
single point.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I just found a stupid bug when handling two points rounded to the<br>
same Garmin<br>
point and that bug causes some of the poor results. In line 1213 it should<br>
be<br>
if (c.getDistToDisplayedPoint() >= n.getDistToDisplayedPoint())<br>
instead of<br>
if (c.getDistToDisplayedPoint() < n.getDistToDisplayedPoint())<br>
<br>
I am now trying to find out what other code might be removed when this error<br>
is fixed...<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2018 17:01:27<br>
An: 'Development list for mkgmap'<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd, I don't know anything about this bit of code, but the problem in<br>
the before and after pictures look to me like they are not the result of<br>
attempting to fix the angle, but look like they are the result of the second<br>
and fourth nodes in the spur both rounding to the same point, and it seems<br>
to me that the solution is to detect that the way has gone back on itself,<br>
and delete the intermediate node. If there are no junctions between two<br>
points that loop back on themselves, they should be able to be safely<br>
deleted before they are passed to WAF. Of course, I may be completely<br>
misunderstanding the intricacies of the problem, in which case I apologise<br>
for interrupting.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
okay, thanks.<br>
BTW: I still have no good idea how to solve the problem with the spike at<br>
node 1270407079.<br>
The attached screen shots show the problem. The coloured lines are the<br>
input.<br>
Many very short ways and all points are far from the Garmin grid points.<br>
The picture before.png shows the input to WrongAngleFixer (WAF), the<br>
after.png the output.<br>
The output is a bit better, but no improvement regarding the spike.<br>
I think WAF should collapse the two ways (111528849 and 111528851) which<br>
build the spike.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. März 2018 20:47:39<br>
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Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Thanks Gerd, I will do some tests on Saturday and then report back.<br>
<br>
<br>
Felix<br>
<br>
On 8 March 2018 at 11:46, Gerd Petermann<br>
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wrote:<br>
Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
attached is a patch that improves WrongAngleFixer.<br>
When both ways build a junction and both have another point close to that<br>
junction<br>
and in OSM they are different nodes mkgmap tries harder to avoid that they<br>
are rounded to the<br>
same coordinate. This is what happened with these two nodes<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1263658804" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>node/1263658804</a><br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1195812701" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>node/1195812701</a><br>
<br>
I found similar situations at some roundabouts, sometimes a way connected to<br>
the roundabout and the roundabout way<br>
overlap.<br>
I am not sure how this patch works with your style, please try it with<br>
r4131.<br>
<br>
A few special cases to look at:<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/208976154" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>way/208976154</a> Coordinates: 38.4082747,<br>
16.0787201<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/312642720" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>way/312642720</a> Coordinates: 39.0259441,<br>
8.5967561<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148634420" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>way/148634420</a> Coordinates: 41.981263,<br>
12.4114831<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Samstag, 3. März 2018 19:49:24<br>
An: Development list for mkgmap<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
well in general 0x16 is not avoided by any transport means (or at least it<br>
was not a couple of years ago when I checked the influence of types= -<br>
that's strange. 0x01 and 0x02 are avoided by bicycle - but in general I<br>
never use avoidances except toll and unpaved - they are pretty straight<br>
forward. I should do some checks again if something changed with activity<br>
routing over the years.<br>
If 6 ways on top of each other are routable problems are common (but do not<br>
have to occur - not sure why).<br>
<br>
(oh yeah I forgot to say to add the route=hiking to relations file, I<br>
assumed that is clear as it's a route and they are always relations).<br>
<br>
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> wrote:<br>
Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
okay, found out again why merging before angle fixing doesn't work, but I<br>
still have no clue why this junction would cause trouble reg. routing<br>
with a normal mkgmap binary.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<br>
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An: Development list for mkgmap<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
I just noted that I got my results reg. the modified default style with a<br>
modified StyledConverter which does the road merging before the wrong angle<br>
fixing.<br>
Something goes very wrong with this patched version.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
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Gesendet: Samstag, 3. März 2018 11:01:42<br>
An: Development list for mkgmap<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
no, it is just special at this juntion because the other ways have 0x8 or<br>
0x13.<br>
On thursday I wrote that I was able to reproduce a problem at this junction<br>
but I forgot to set up routing<br>
for car (automotive) :-(<br>
I can reproduce a problem with "tour cycling", but I think that is expected<br>
with your style,<br>
because it avoids main roads by default. Maybe your users made the same<br>
error?<br>
<br>
You suggested to add<br>
route=hiking [0x13 road_class=4 road_speed=2 resolution 24 continue]<br>
to reproduce a problem. I tried that with no effect. Only after I added a<br>
rule in the relations file:<br>
type=route & route=hiking {<br>
apply {<br>
add route=hiking<br>
}<br>
}<br>
With that I see additional routable lines in the map and routing is more<br>
less broken at node 412440328 when<br>
I try to route from north to anywhere below the node , also the inverse way<br>
doesn't work.<br>
I tried different variants of the rule like other types or other road<br>
classes, always saw the same problem.<br>
I see working routing again when I remove way 130665733 from the input file<br>
and move node 1263658617<br>
down to 412440328 and merge them (see attached file).<br>
I'll try to find out why this is so special in this situation.<br>
<br>
ciao,<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2018 22:21:35<br>
An: Development list for mkgmap<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
Well in general 0x16 does not cause any problems. Do you think if I use<br>
another type instead (e.g.) 0x13 it won't be problematic, or do you mean<br>
that the 0x16 in itself is the problem?<br>
<br>
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Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
okay, I think I can reproduce a routing problem on my Oregon with your map.<br>
I have a route that works from south to north but not in the reverse<br>
direction.<br>
I'll try to create a similar situation with a modified default style to find<br>
out<br>
what the problem is. My current prime suspect is the way with type 0x16.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. März 2018 18:09:02<br>
An: Development list for mkgmap<br>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Bug in Road Merging - actually doubling roads.<br>
<br>
routing issues is on devices only - not in Basecamp. Reported so far from<br>
Oregon and Edge - routing from North to East over that road.<br>
<br>
<br>
Well what I thought was that mkgmap should check if another road is put<br>
above. Right now it's 1 road supposed to be there, 2 and 3 roads overlapping<br>
due to that road being too short. Those overlapping somehow would need to be<br>
removed (and yes I know they are originally not the same line). My style<br>
should I think in maximum create 4 routable lines - however due to<br>
overlapping of other lines (due to the sub 4.3m line) it ends up a short<br>
stretch with more than 5 routable lines.<br>
<br>
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Hi Felix,<br>
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Felix Hartmann-2 wrote<br>
> Okay - no-merge-lines makes no difference, also removing<br>
> addArcsToMajorRoads();<br>
> function makes no difference. And I just noticed - the patch does not<br>
> work.<br>
> It works in it's own way - but not achieving the result that is needed.<br>
> Whatever I do - I still end up with 6 routable lines.<br>
><br>
> I guess the patch checks for each road that it is not more than 4 times in<br>
> the map. So I end up with 1, 2, and 3 (1 that is supposed to be in the<br>
> map,<br>
> 2 from the east not supposed, and 3 from the south, not supposed). (always<br>
> using gpsmapedit to check results).<br>
<br>
yes, that is what it does. Didn't you suggest something like that?<br>
<br>
You still did not tell me how I can reproduce a crash with this data, so I<br>
can only guess.<br>
I didn't see any routing issues so far with your maps, only the ugly<br>
rendering.<br>
Is this the only problem or is there really a routing issue?<br>
If yes, please let me know how to reproduce it.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
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