[mkgmap-dev] Please help with news about new DEM options

Wed Jan 31 13:20:31 GMT 2018

Hi Nick,

well, Andrzej reported that this oversampling might improve precision.
My understanding is that it reduces the error that is added by interpolation.

For sure it adds a lot of bytes to the img file, so one has to find out what is more imprtant.

Gerd

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Hi Gerd

Thanks for the detailed explanations.

' if you want more precision and map size doesn't matter half of it '

I'm not quite sure how halving these values produce greater precision
for resolution 24.

  Interestingly , you mention 1664 .

One of my topos has 1648  as in

   1648,3312,13248,53024

  Nick

On 31/01/2018 11:03, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi Minko,
>
> I'd also like to know a good rule how to calculate the dem-dists values.
>
> Again the basic formulars:
> Typical hgt formats use a raster with either 1200 (3'') or 3600 (1'') points/degree as resolution.
> The corresponding resolutions for DEM are 2^32/(1200*360) ~ 9942 or 2^32(3600 * 360) ~ 3314
>
> It is quite obvious that the first value in dem-dists depends on the resolution of the input hgt file(s).
> My understanding is that you might use a value near the hgt resolution or maybe
> - if you want more precision and map size doesn't matter -
> half of it, so
> 3'' hgt means dem-dist ~ 9942 (or 9942/2 = 4971)
> 1'' hgt means dem-dist ~ 3314 (or 3314/2 = 1657)
> Since mkgmap now rounds these values to multiples of 16 you get
> 2^32/(1200*360) ~ 9942 -> 9936 rounded
> 2^32/(1200*360) / 2 ~ 4971 -> 4976 rounded
> 2^32/(3600*360) ~ 3314 -> 3312 rounded
> 2^32/(3600*360) / 2 ~ 1657 -> 1664 rounded
>
> These are the values for resolution 24.
> What still seems unclear is how you calculate the values for lower resolutions.
> Up to now I see no reason to duplicate data with e.g. dem-dists=3312,3312,...
> but I see this in Arndts "Speichenkarte" which uses resolution 23 for level 1.
>
> I tried some different values on my Oregon 600 and I think the hill shading is
> not very useful on the device. Maybe that's the reason why the setting
> Map->Advanced Setup->Shaded relief->Auto
> means that hill shading is not used unless you zoom out to 5km?
>
> I also tried with only one or two DEM levels,
> e.g. --dem-dists=1664,3312 or just --dem-dists=3312
> It works, the device just uses the DEM from the basemap when you zoom out to e.g. 500 m.
> The problem: The basemap has a very poor DEM resolution, so it looks wrong when hills
> suddenly disappear while zooming out.
>
> My current compromise for high precision with 1'' hgt input and default style:
> 1664,9936,26512,53024
>
> Gerd
>
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>
> Yes, it would be helpful if we mention where we can get the hgt files, a few examples of the dem-dist values and an explanation how to calculate it. This information is already there but mentioned in the many updates  of the branch versions.
>
> I use  http://www.javawa.nl/srtm/index.php?lang=nl because it has a good overview map, the disadvantage is that you need to download every single tile manually and not in one big download. Maybe there are better alternatives?
>
> ---------------------
>
> Gerd wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> with r4093 I've merged the dem-tdb branch into trunk. I think it would be good to mention this in the
> "Latest news" on [1] , maybe with one or two screen shots, but I have no idea how to write this "from a users view".
> Do we need a how-to that describes the sources for hgt files and maybe more about the new options?
> It would be great if somebody could help with that.
>
> Gerd
>
> [1] http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/
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