[mkgmap-dev] Could mkgmap be extended to create an empty dem dist layer?

Mon Apr 23 11:48:03 BST 2018

No I did not - It's not possible for as I tried to create a transparent
gmapsupp.img only dem map. The good thing is if the basemap that is
installed on the device has DEM - the transparent gmapsupp.img only map
will not be used, as the basemap DEM (which is much lower details for the
resolution then currently doable with mkgmap) will take precedence. The
x-dem-empty-dist option is clearly working - but not helping right now.
Best approach is a) map with one dem layer for Basecamp, b) gmapsupp.img
dem only map and c) basemap with dem. Using DEM with AUTO mode (and not
show if available) That way the DEM right now will work pretty good.

Maybe mkgmap could also create basemaps with DEM? I don't think there are
any worldwide basemaps with DEM for download by Garmin? I can only find
this one: http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=461
If people do not (accidentally) delete the basemap this does not matter - I
do not know how many people do so?

On 23 April 2018 at 06:28, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Felix,
>
> did you also try to use as many DEM levels as --levels?  Maybe Frank is
> right and there is some relation between them?
>
> Reg. a missing pointer: There may be something in TRE. If I got that right
> there are a lot of unknown sub sections in this file and
> I guess that Garmin assumes defaults if they are missing, and those
> defaults might not fit.
> I have no idea how to find out :(
>
> Gerd
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag von
> Felix Hartmann <extremecarver at gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. April 2018 21:49:06
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Could mkgmap be extended to create an empty dem
>      dist layer?
>
> I've played around a lot with different values - and it behaves very
> strange.
> e.g. 39768,53024 --x-dem-empty-dist=106048 does not work - no DEM shown at
> all.
> --dem-dists=39768 --x-dem-empty-dist=106048 - shows dem at 8-15km - at
> 20km then the Basemap DEM will be used instead. But at 5km where it's most
> important no DEM shown.
>
> I kinda guess there is some pointer we are missing here in mkgmap that is
> not about the 0m DEM at all, but about the thing as a whole. It's really
> hard to find any kind of pattern that shows with resolution DEM is taken at
> which zoom level - it seems to me e.g.  39768,53024,106048 - the first
> 39768 will be taken for all zoom levels - while producing e.g.
> 53024,106048 without x-dem the dem will never be used, however dem is shown
> if I a some x-dem value.
> Also sometimes I manged to brick my Oregon 600 to such a state that even
> without the mSD with maps inside it would not boot anymore - it got stuck
> on the first  message "Oregon 600 - Copyright 2017" and not make it to the
> next steps of loading photos, then loading maps.. Had to start it via USB,
> switch off, then  it booted now with the maps on mSD. Actually that
> happened to me also without the x-dem option when I tried different
> dem-dists. Maybe it's only safe to first remove the old dem gmapssupp.img,
> boot, shut down, then insert a new dem only gmapsupp.img - or not use the
> same name if you change it?
>
> On 18 April 2018 at 21:46, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver at gmail.com<mailto:
> extremecarver at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks a lot Gerd,
> I hope I find soon some time to try it out on my devices (etrex 30, oregon
> 600)
>
> On 18 April 2018 at 09:33, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com
> <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Felix,
>
> attached is a patch that implements option --x-dem-empty-dist as discussed.
> I tried with
> --dem-dists=19884,39768,53024,106048  --x-dem-empty-dist=212096
> and found no visual effect, and with
> --dem-dists=19884,39768,53024  --x-dem-empty-dist= 106048
> the hill shading didn't work at all, and my Oregon froze when I tried to
> show the elevation data for a route.
>
> So, I've also tried with a different patch that writes height 0 instead of
> "undefined". This seems to work,
> but I am not sure if it shows the wanted effect. I've attached this 2nd
> version.
> Please try on your own.
>
> Gerd
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-
> dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag von Felix Hartmann <
> extremecarver at gmail.com<mailto:extremecarver at gmail.com>>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 12:59:41
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Could mkgmap be extended to create an empty dem
>      dist layer?
>
> I prefer to have Basemap - but I know many people delete it by accident or
> don't activate it - and I just tried a gmapsupp DEM map will also give
> shading to overview map.
> And yeah - maybe call it
> --dem-empty-dist
>
> so you would have e.g.
> --dem-dists=19884,39768,53024,106048  --dem-empty-dist=212096
> or
> --dem-dists=19884,39768,53024  --dem-empty-dist= 106048
>
>
> not sure what values will work best. And yes I would expect only uknown or
> undefined heights should do the trick - but of course I do not know. With
> garmins usual approach i do guess it's possible to create it in a way that
> it switches off at some zoom level by inserting empty data.
>
> On 17 April 2018 at 12:40, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com
> <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com><mailto:g
> petermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> Hi Felix,
>
> it should be easy to add an empty layer, but I'd prefer a special option
> for that.
> Any ideas for a good option name?
> I guess an empty layer would be one that contains only "unknown" or
> "undefined" heights.
> No idea what the device will do with such a layer, I'll try it.
> If I got you right you prefer to have no basemap on your device? Or maybe
> some devices don't have
> one by default?
>
> Gerd
>
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> dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk><mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces@
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> Auftrag von Felix Hartmann <extremecarver at gmail.com<mailto:
> extremecarver at gmail.com><mailto:extremecarver at gmail.com<mailto:
> extremecarver at gmail.com>>>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 11:50:42
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] Could mkgmap be extended to create an empty dem
> dist      layer?
>
> If compiling DEM gmapsupp.img for device, right now it will show forever
> when zooming out - it would be good to have a fake/empty dem top layer - say
> --dem-dists=19884,39768,53024,212096
> with 212096 being empty or just having enough data that the device is not
> actually shading the map?
>
> Basically I think dem on device is only useful from around 5-30km zoom
> levels (with default detail level). 5km is the lowest that the devices
> choose if DEM is on auto zoom level, but it will continue showing it
> indefinitely (at least if no basemap is activated) - so getting the device
> to show an empty dem to switch of shading would be pretty useful.
>
> Greetings
> Felix
>
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