[mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Tue Oct 2 19:19:04 BST 2018

Hello

That default typ-file was me
I volunteer in maintaining a default typ for mkgmap

For now I made my own style + typ which is an nearly exact copy of mapnik up to today
(whatever they render I do as well without implementing personal interests)
https://github.com/Jorisbo/Mkgmap-Mapnik-Style-Garmin
if follow up: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md

I also have a typ file for ‘lambertus style’ (which needs an color update on some icons)
I can make one for what’s called the mkgmap default style?
Let me know if it’s worth the effort and what kind of conditions you think of

Example of the basecamp result
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.84824/12.47578

[cid:image002.png at 01D45A8B.DE77E3A0]

[cid:image001.png at 01D45A8D.27EC6780]

Van: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> Namens lig fietser
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2018 11:56
Aan: Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>; Development list for mkgmap <mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Hi Gerd
For a number of reasons, the main reason is that up to now nobody has time to maintain this 🙁
It is also a very  complicated because there are always folks who don't like the map style.
And garmin devices don't render it consistently and there are differences in rendering between the garmin units vs mapsource/basecamp. I have read that someone on this list (I don't have a link at the moment) who has developed the "mapnik/osm carto style"  for the default map further than I have done in the past for Lambertus' garmin maps. Maybe he is willing to share this for the default mkgmap style?

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Van: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> namens Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2018 00:37
Aan: Development list for mkgmap
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Hmm, of course the map looks better with a nice typ file, but up to now mkgmap comes without one.
We could also render other natural values like heath, grassland etc. to improve the map, but we don't. I think the reason is again that we don't have a typ file.

So, what is the reason that there is no TYP file in the package?
My own graphical abilities are very limited :-(

Gerd

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Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag von lig fietser <ligfietser at hotmail.com<mailto:ligfietser at hotmail.com>>
Gesendet: Freitag, 28. September 2018 09:26
An: osm at pinns; Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

What did you expect? Of course a typ file is needed to make that map look a little bit better.
Without a typ file the garmin default map is a disaster, sorry to say this. It's better to include a polygon that matters than leaving it out because the layout sucks. Otherwise we better not render forests etc as well.

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Van: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> namens Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>
Verzonden: donderdag 27 september 2018 23:24
Aan: osm at pinns; Development list for mkgmap
Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Hi,

I tried the rule
natural=beach | natural=sand [0x53 resolution 20]
without any typ file and I think the result looks worse compared to a map without those polygons,
at least in Basecamp and Mapsource.
I assume you tested with a typ file?

Gerd

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Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag von Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. September 2018 18:22
An: osm at pinns; Development list for mkgmap
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Hi all,

thanks for the input. I'll try this change tomorrow and if I find no problems I'll commit it.

Gerd

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Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag von osm at pinns <osm at pinns.co.uk<mailto:osm at pinns.co.uk>>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. September 2018 11:23
An: mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>
Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Sorry , had the wrong style ; yes 53 does show up

On 27/09/2018 10:14, osm at pinns wrote:

Just noticed that both Basecamp and Mapsource don't seem to show 0x53 :(

On 27/09/2018 09:48, osm at pinns wrote:

Hi Minko

Yes, 0x53 sounds good ; I have 53 down as 'flat , mud "

r

Nick

On 27/09/2018 09:05, lig fietser wrote:
Hi Nick,
Remarkable that this have not been noticed already!
I would suggest polygon type 0x53, typ viewer shows this as is the non NT version of 0x10C06 (if that matters). And please add natural=sand.
Suggestion:

natural=beach | natural=sand [0x53 resolution 20]
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Onderwerp: [mkgmap-dev] Beaches as a polygon

Hi

I noticed that the default style only renders Beaches as a point not a
polygon.

Beaches as a polygon  may be unimportant to many but I feel that without
them maps are very misleading and incomplete -

see picture

http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/437/beach.jpg

 (left default style , right with beach)

Garmin deems them important as they are included as an option in their kmtf
files for their City Navigator maps and nuvis etc.

Given the fact that only a very limited number of polygons are used in a
kmtf file, the beach inclusion seems quite significant.

They use 0x10C06 in City Navigator.

Just a suggestion

r.

Nick

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