[mkgmap-dev] [Fwd: Re: Suggestions for roadNameConfig.txt]

Fri Apr 17 09:13:34 BST 2020

Hi Gerd

To be used for GBR, the prefix list need to different (actually empty),
compared with some other English speaking countries and my patch
includes this change and comments on the reason for it.

Then, in GBR, there are many suffixes, and again, I've generated and
included a comprehensive list.

Finally, actually using this on my 2 different eTrex devices, the
effects made address searching less obvious, in different ways, on the
2 devices. I put a reference to a post about this in the file.

Other devices might behave in what I would consider a better way, or
other people might consider the behaviour I see as perfectly
acceptable. 

I could comment out the suffix list for GBR, leaving both lists empty,
but it is easier not to use --road-name-config.

I don't understand your reluctance to accept these changes.

Ticker

On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 11:28 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi Ticker,
> 
> You say you don't like the result.
> Does that mean you like it more with your long list of suffixes than
> with the short one?
> I worry about road names like "The Parade". I didn't try it again but
> I think the suffixes are assumed to have no meaning without other
> words . In Germany, you rarely find a road with the suffix "Straße"
> that has a name like "Die Straße".
> 
> I think it would be better to remove the defaults for GBR and wait
> until someone says that they are missing it.
> 
> Gerd
> 
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag
> von Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 13:09
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Fwd: Re:  Suggestions for
> roadNameConfig.txt]
> 
> Hi Gerd
> 
> I did think about this, but --road-names-config is optional and
> behaves
> as the documentation suggests and this patch includes a reasonably
> complete list of suffixes for the UK and useful comments.
> 
> I tried it on my device and didn't like the effect and so don't use
> it,
> Others might like it.
> 
> I've fixed Boulevard.
> 
> Ticker
> 
> On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 09:04 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> > Hi Ticker,
> > 
> > did you consider disabling this feature for the UK? It looks wrong
> > to
> > me to have such a long list of rather meaningful names.
> > 
> > BTW: Boulivard is probably a typo?
> > 
> > Gerd
> > 
> > ________________________________________
> > Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag
> > von Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 10:35
> > An: mkgmap development
> > Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] [Fwd: Re:  Suggestions for
> > roadNameConfig.txt]
> > 
> > Hi Gerd
> > 
> > Could you consider this change to roadNameConfig.txt for GBR
> > 
> > I've attached an updated version based current trunk.o1
> > 
> > Thank you
> > Ticker
> > 
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>
> > Reply-to: Development list for mkgmap <
> > mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk
> > > 
> > To: Development list for mkgmap <mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Suggestions for roadNameConfig.txt
> > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:56:17 +0000
> > 
> > Hi Gerd
> > 
> > I've just been going through some old mails/patches.
> > 
> > I think the updated contents of roadNameConfig.txt is correct and
> > better than the previous version.
> > 
> > The fact that it doesn't work consistently across devices and, on
> > some,
> > is misleading shouldn't stop the file being available as an example
> > in
> > the distribution.
> > 
> > The user has the choice about how to use it and it contains some
> > comments and a link relating to these problems.
> > 
> > I've attached an updated patch with UTF-8 encoding markers, a
> > different
> > section for UK road names and improved some comments.
> > 
> > This file has always been read by mkgmap as UTF-8. The function of
> > the
> > markers is to make editors aware of this; it contains characters
> > outside the 7-bit ascii range.
> > 
> > Ticker
> > 
> > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 11:30 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> > > Hi Ticker,
> > > 
> > > reg. search: You are probably right, address search works very
> > > different on the Garmin devices. On the Oregon, I have several
> > > dialogs, first to chose country, next to chose city or "all",
> > > next
> > > to
> > > type house number, last one asking for road name. In this dialog
> > > there is no autocompletion, I just have to type characters.
> > > Sometimes
> > > the device switches automatically to a result list while I am
> > > typing,
> > > sometimes it doesn't. When I press OK I get a list of matching
> > > roads.
> > > So, for the Oregon it works fine. Maybe it doesn't for those
> > > devices
> > > with auto-completion. Cannot test this right now. I tried it once
> > > with a Nüvi and it seemed to work well, but I don't own one.
> > > 
> > > Reg. combination of   --road-name-config and --split-name-index:
> > > Yes,
> > > this gives confusing results. Not sure if it worked better in the
> > > past.
> > > I tried with Essex extract:
> > > java -jar d:\mkgmap\dist\mkgmap.jar --bounds=f:\osm\bounds.zip -
> > > -gmapi --net --index  --road-name
> > > -config=d:\mkgmap\resources\roadNameConfig.txt --gmapsupp --split
> > > -name-index f:\dwnload\temp\essex-latest.osm.pbf
> > > 
> > > 
> > > According to Mapsource a search for "Mace" without giving a city
> > > name
> > > should list "John Mace Road", "Mace Avenue", "Mace Court", and
> > > "Mace
> > > Walk", maybe in a different order.
> > > Without your patch I  get a list showing "Mace Road", "Mace
> > > Avenue",
> > > and "Mace Walk", so "Mace Court" is missing and when I select
> > > "Mace
> > > Road" the device shows the "John Mace Road".
> > > With your patch this gets worse: The list shows only "Mace Road",
> > > when I select that entry I get a new list containing
> > > ",Thurrock","Braintree,Essex","Chelmsford,Essex", and
> > > "Colchester,
> > > Essex". Each of them points to just one of the expected roads.
> > > 
> > > Results look much better when I specify a city name.
> > > Result also looks very different without the --split-name-option.
> > > I have to do more tests, I think it worked better in the past.
> > > Maybe
> > > sorting is broken.
> > > 
> > > Gerd
> > 
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