[mkgmap-dev] mkgmap-dev Digest, Vol 143, Issue 54

Mon Jun 22 12:02:05 BST 2020

Hi Joris,

When I said "I've changed the mapid of all tiles" that's by using the
--mapid option of splitter. I didn't manually change anything to generated
files.

On my 66s, as you have suggested, I have removed all maps except the base
map which was on the GPS when I bought it.

The generated map was copied as-is on my GPS device and, as explained, some
tiles are still missing at high zoomlevels (>= 80km). But if I put this map
on my GPSMAP 64s, the problem doesn't appear and looking at the map
with qmapshack shows all tiles properly. For me it looks like a 66s issue
(like if some tiles are too slow to be built, they're skipped).

I will try your suggestion JDM_Setup tonight.

Thanks,
Pierre

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:02 PM Joris Bo <jorisbo at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pierre,
>
>
>
> It still sounds strange that there are tiles missing at certain zoomlevels
> if you really renamed/deleted/removed all other maps from your device.
>
> Disabling maps through the device menu’s is not enough. The full maps
> should be unrecognizable renamed or removed on filesystem (through windows
> explorer) from both the device as also the internal ssd card to be sure no
> other map is still interfering with your newly created tiles.
>
>
>
> If you say “ I've changed the mapid of all tiles” That sounds to me as if you
> did this manually or with a tool afterwords?
>
> The mapid is part of the splitter process. In order to have a clean start
> you should best both use splitter and mkgmap again form scratch to build
> your new map wit the new unique mapid=<8digits> passed to splitter.
>
>
>
> If you also install your maps in your registry or basecamp you can use
> javawa tool (javawa GMTK) to look for errors.
>
> https://www.javawa.nl/downloads/software/GMTK_Setup.exe
>
>
>
> To just examine your device for maps and errors java device manager can
> hint for problems
>
> https://www.javawa.nl/downloads/software/JDM_Setup.exe
>
>
>
>
>
> At least good to hear you can at least use it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Joris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> *Namens *Pierre
> Brico
> *Verzonden:* maandag 22 juni 2020 11:03
> *Aan:* Development list for mkgmap <mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>
> *CC:* john at the-thorns.org.uk
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap-dev Digest, Vol 143, Issue 54
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I just would like to give you some feedback against the missing tile
> issue. As a reminder, my Garmin device is a GPSMAP 66s.
>
>
>
> I've changed the mapid of all tiles of France map to avoid overlapping
> with the Belgium map I'm also using. Since this change, all tiles are
> displayed properly. However at large scale (120km or 80km), some tiles are
> still missing but I think this should be an issue with the 66s. The good
> news is that when I zoom in, the missing tiles appear which was not the
> case before. And as I'm using the scale 200m or 120m during my hiking or
> cycling trips, that's not a problem anymore.
>
>
>
> I've searched for a limit of tiles for a map but I didn't find one. For
> custom maps KMZ, it seems to be a limit of 100 tiles (
> https://support.garmin.com/en-CA/?faq=1Bz6TOQfUJ65zKV2l9IYAA) but it
> shouldn't apply to the img map. My France map and the OpenTopoMap of France
> have 120 tiles...
>
>
>
> Thanks again for your help,
>
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:02 PM Gerd Petermann <
> gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> please don't attach more screenshots, they are the reason that mails are
> not forwarded immediately.
> The easiest way to set the mapid is the option in splitter. As long as you
> use only your own maps and those from Garmin you can use any id.
> Did you check how many tiles are contained in the open-topo map for
> France? Maybe John is right and the number is the limit.
> If you don't need a full map of France for your journey maybe use a
> polygon for splitter to cut the area you need.
>
> Gerd
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag von
> Pierre Brico <pierre.brico at gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2020 15:42
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Cc: john at the-thorns.org.uk
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap-dev Digest, Vol 143, Issue 54
>
>
> Hi Gerd,
>
> I've removed all my maps except the gmapbmap.img and gmaptz.img which were
> provided with the GPS itself.
>
> The result is better: some tiles are still missing when displaying the map
> at high scale BUT when I zoom in on those tiles, the map appears. Here are
> 2 screenshots.
>
> High scale:
> [327.bmp]
>
> Zoom in on the missing area:
> [338.bmp]
>
>
> If the problem comes from the mapid, how can I rename default 63240001,
> 63240002 to whatever values ? (I would like to be able to load Belgium maps
> with the France one).
>
> Thanks,
> Pierre
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:17 PM Gerd Petermann <
> gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> Did you make sure that there is no other map on this device which contains
> equal mapids?
> Since you use the default 63240001, 63240002 I wonder if you also created
> another map with one of these ids. If that is possible, make sure to use a
> different id simply rename the other gmapsupp files from *.img to e.g.
> *.img_
> It is not sufficient to disable the map.
>
> Gerd
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag von Pierre Brico <
> pierre.brico at gmail.com<mailto:pierre.brico at gmail.com>>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2020 15:10
> An: john at the-thorns.org.uk<mailto:john at the-thorns.org.uk>; Development
> list for mkgmap
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap-dev Digest, Vol 143, Issue 54
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion. But in my case, the same map of France coming
> from OpenTopoMap is working perfectly. So I don't think that the tiles
> limit has been reached.
>
> Pierre
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM John Thorn <johnrthorn at gmail.com<mailto:
> johnrthorn at gmail.com><mailto:johnrthorn at gmail.com<mailto:
> johnrthorn at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> Just a thought....
>
> Is it a case of too many tiles on the device? Most devices have a limit on
> the number of tiles across all installed maps. Often c4000.
>
> John
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:39:50 +0000
> Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Tiles missing
> Hi Brico,
>
> Does your newly created map displays in basecamp correctly?
> If no: The start is to find out why tiles are skipped by mkgmap or
> splitter by investigating the error logging  (This is the tip of Ticker)
> If yes: A start could be to disable all maps on your device by renaming
> the *.IMG extension to *._IMG except your own map.
> You can find the maps on both the device as the SSD in the map garmin
>
> If you created the maps the most straight forward way (without specifying
> family id and tile number start for example) you can easily create
> duplicate tile numbers which could conflict with other mapmakers. Default
> all tiles start with 6324xxx1
>
>
>
> Van: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk><mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>>> Namens Pierre Brico
> Verzonden: zondag 14 juni 2020 18:16
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> Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Tiles missing
>
>
> Yes, my GPSMAP 66s runs the latest firmware (4.20 see
> https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=14337).
>
> Note that the France OpenTopoMap on the same device is working properly.
>
> I can also try the map on my 64s if this can help to identify the
> problem...
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ralf Kleineisel <ralf at kleineisel.de
> <mailto:ralf at kleineisel.de><mailto:ralf at kleineisel.de<mailto:
> ralf at kleineisel.de>>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 13.06.20 um 11:41 schrieb Pierre Brico:
>
> > A few months ago, I bought a Garmin GPSMAP 66s (I've already other
>
> > Now I would like to generate a map for my next holiday in France but I
> > have issues with missing tiles.
>
> does your device run the latest firmware? I had weird display problems
> with older firmware on my 64s.
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:08:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Tiles missing
>
> Hi Joris,
>
> I didn't install the map in basecamp but if it can help, I will.
>
> On my device I've moved all maps in a separated directories to disable
> them. The only one left was mine.
>
> To create the France map, I started from belgium-latest.osm.pbf downloaded
> from geofabrik.de<http://geofabrik.de><http://geofabrik.de>. Then I
> splitted it using splitter (r597) tool and then generated the map with
> mkgmap (r4525). The mkgmap command line option was:
>
> java -Xmx8G -jar $MKGMAP_DIR/mkgmap.jar --gmapsupp \
> --family-id=$FAMILY_ID \
> --product-id=0 \
> --product-version=1 \
> --draw-priority=20 \
> --family-name="OSM $COUNTRY_ISO" \
> --series-name="OSM $COUNTRY_ISO" \
> --country-name="$COUNTRY" \
> --country-abbr="$COUNTRY_ISO" \
> --max-jobs=8 \
> --latin1 \
> --index \
> --split-name-index \
> --housenumbers \
> --reduce-point-density=4 \
> --reduce-point-density-polygon=8 \
> --min-size-polygon=8 \
> --polygon-size-limits="24:12, 18:10, 16:8, 14:4, 12:2, 11:0" \
> --route \
> --make-opposite-cycleways \
> --add-pois-to-areas \
> --process-destination \
> --process-exits \
> --order-by-decreasing-area \
> --keep-going \
> --style-file=$MKGMAP_DIR/resources/styles --style=default \
> --bounds=$BOUNDS_FILE \
> --precomp-sea=$SEA_FILE \
> -c template.args ../typ/2000.typ \
> --description="OSM custom routable(${COUNTRY_ISO}_$(date "+%d-%m-%Y"))"
>
> with template.args coming from the splitter step.
>
> Note that I've identified a (amongst several) missing tile and the name of
> the tile was in the template.args. Moreover, the tile which doesn't display
> on my device, is shown by GMapTool on the final IMG.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:39 PM Joris Bo <jorisbo at hotmail.com<mailto:
> jorisbo at hotmail.com><mailto:jorisbo at hotmail.com<mailto:jorisbo at hotmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> Hi Brico,
>
> Does your newly created map displays in basecamp correctly?
> If no: The start is to find out why tiles are skipped by mkgmap or
> splitter by investigating the error logging  (This is the tip of Ticker)
> If yes: A start could be to disable all maps on your device by renaming
> the *.IMG extension to *._IMG except your own map.
> You can find the maps on both the device as the SSD in the map garmin
>
> If you created the maps the most straight forward way (without specifying
> family id and tile number start for example) you can easily create
> duplicate tile numbers which could conflict with other mapmakers. Default
> all tiles start with 6324xxx1
>
>
>
> Van: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk><mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>>> Namens Pierre Brico
> Verzonden: zondag 14 juni 2020 18:16
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> Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Tiles missing
>
>
> Yes, my GPSMAP 66s runs the latest firmware (4.20 see
> https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=14337).
>
> Note that the France OpenTopoMap on the same device is working properly.
>
> I can also try the map on my 64s if this can help to identify the
> problem...
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ralf Kleineisel <ralf at kleineisel.de
> <mailto:ralf at kleineisel.de><mailto:ralf at kleineisel.de<mailto:
> ralf at kleineisel.de>>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 13.06.20 um 11:41 schrieb Pierre Brico:
>
> > A few months ago, I bought a Garmin GPSMAP 66s (I've already other
>
> > Now I would like to generate a map for my next holiday in France but I
> > have issues with missing tiles.
>
> does your device run the latest firmware? I had weird display problems
> with older firmware on my 64s.
>
>
>
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