[mkgmap-dev] The x prepended to the *.typ file

Mon Sep 20 15:46:55 BST 2021

Hi Gerd,

It's probably because I don't use the default family id. I substitute my
own to prevent problems when using more than one map in my GPSr.

Here's my command line for my Eugene (Oregon) maps:
java -Xmx4000m -jar mkgmap.jar -c DJS.cfg --latin1 --family-id=24566
--name-tag-list=name,loc_name,int_name,alt_name --description="Eugene"
"C:\Users\Alask\Downloads\Maps\Eugene.osm" "C:\Users\Alask\Dropbox
(Personal)\Mapping\24983djs.TYP"

When compiling a map of Thailand, I use family-id=18028 and
description="Thailand" in my command line.

I picked those numbers out of the air, so to speak. It's an easy solution
that eliminates "conflicts" when checking my maps with the JaVaWa Device
Manager. My maps work fine so I presume these changes are a good fix. I
don't use splitter; all my maps are for areas that require OSM downloads of
less than 1 GByte.

Dave

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 11:23 PM Gerd Petermann <
gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> the typ file contains fields for the family-id and the product-id. If
> those don't match the values used in the map it will not work, that's why
> mkgmap creates a copy.
> As Ticker said, there is code to prevent that a correct typ file is
> overwritten, so I wonder how you manage to have the x-file with identical
> content.
>
> Gerd
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag von
> Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Montag, 20. September 2021 02:08
> An: Development list for mkgmap
> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] The x prepended to the *.typ file
>
> Why would you have mkgmap modify a TYP file for any reason? (FYI: My
> output goes to the same directory that contains my input files.)
>
> I would much rather see some sort of error message than have an
> undocumented (AFAIK) feature modify my TYP file, especially since there is
> no indication of that behaviour in the error stream. I've seen this x-file
> for years and could not (and still don't) see why it exists. Both TYP files
> always prove to be identical when checked by the ExamDiff program).
> Reiterating, if there is some sort of conflict in family/product numbers,
> let the user know about it through error messages and suggest remedies. But
> don't change his/her TYP file behind the scenes.
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:53 PM Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk
> <mailto:rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hi
>
> My reading of the code is that it won't create an x-version that is
> identical to the original, so I don't understand what Dave observes.
>
> I think the best solution is as Gerd suggests, if the binary input .typ
> file has the wrong family/product and is in the output direction, an
> error should be flagged. If it is in another directory, a patched
> version with the same name should be created in the output directory.
>
> Ticker
>
> On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 10:35 -0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> > FYI
> >
> > In my workflow, the source TYP file is not modified. Both TYP files,
> > the original and the x-version, are identical. However, my TYP file
> > is not a text file; it is a binary file that the TYPViewer program
> > generates. How that plays in this scenario I have no idea.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM Gerd Petermann <
> > gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Ticker,
> > >
> > > OK, I agree that it isn't the best idea to modify a source file.
> > > So, maybe mkgmap should stop with an error message if that would
> > > happen?
> > >
> > > Gerd
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im Auftrag
> > > von Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk<mailto:
> rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>>
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 18:31
> > > An: Development list for mkgmap
> > > Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] The x prepended to the *.typ file
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > With mkgmap compiling the .txt to .typ there is no problem - I'm
> > > assuming this question is only concerned with what happens when
> > > starting with a binary .typ file.
> > >
> > > If the .typ file already exists and has the wrong family/product
> > > and is
> > > in the directory that mkgmap will use for output files, then the
> > > options are:
> > >
> > > 1/ change the original .typ file, patching the family/product;
> > >   - it must be wrong to change an input file.
> > >
> > > 2/ use a different directory for the patched version;
> > >    - but where?
> > >
> > > 3/ use a different name for for the patched version;
> > >    - this could be improved, so that rather than prefixing with x,
> > > a
> > >    clearer suffix is added to the actual file but when this is
> > > added
> > >    to gmapi/gmapsupp, the original name is used for the embedded
> > >    component.
> > >
> > > At the moment mkgmap ignores the last condition "... is in the same
> > > directory ...", but this could be tested and, if not, the name
> > > could be
> > > kept and the new file created in the natural output directory.
> > >
> > > Ticker
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 08:38 -0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> > > > I have wondered where that "x-file" came from for years. To me,
> > > it's
> > > > totally unnecessary and confusing. I thought my typ file editor,
> > > > TypViewer, was creating it.
> > > > Even after reading the email and replies, I still don't
> > > understand
> > > > the reasoning behind having mkgmap creating this "backup" copy in
> > > the
> > > > first place but I think it should be got rid of.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for clearing up the mystery!
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:30 AM Gerd Petermann <
> > > > gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com<mailto:
> gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Ticker,
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain why mkgmap is "stuck" with the fixed version.
> > > What's
> > > > > the difference between a fixed *.typ file and one that is
> > > freshly
> > > > > compiled from *.txt?
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerd
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk<mailto:
> mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk>> im
> > > Auftrag
> > > > > von Ticker Berkin <rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk<mailto:
> rwb-mkgmap at jagit.co.uk>>
> > > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. September 2021 13:25
> > > > > An: Development list for mkgmap; Steve Ratcliffe
> > > > > Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] The x prepended to the *.typ file
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't use --output_dir but have map sources (.osm.pbf)
> > > and
> > > > > results (.img) all in the same place, and you specify a pre
> > > -built
> > > > > TYPfile with extension .typ, but it has the wrong
> > > family/product,
> > > > > mkgmap can adjust these, but is then stuck as to what to do
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > fixed version, hence the "x" prefix to deal with this case.
> > > > >
> > > > > If --output-dir is specified and the .typ file wasn't in that
> > > when
> > > > > specified as an input parameter, then could avoid the rename.
> > > > >
> > > > > This doesn't effect me as I always use mkgmap to generate the
> > > .typ
> > > > > from
> > > > > the .txt as part of the final map generation process.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ticker
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 10:22 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think there is an old rather confusing glitch in mkgmap
> > > class
> > > > > > TypSaver which it is used with a *.typ file as input, as in
> > > > > > java -jar mkgmap.jar --output-dir=<map-folder> --family
> > > -id=4711
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > -c splitter-dir\template.args ..\typfiles\existing.typ
> > > > > > to make sure that family-id and product-id are correctly
> > > updated
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the *.typ file.
> > > > > > Since 2012 the program creates / overwrites a copy of file
> > > > > > existing.typ in the source(!) directory ..\typfiles with the
> > > > > prefix
> > > > > > "x", so ..\typfiles\xexisting.typ is written instead of
> > > > > > <map-folder>\existing.typ. I can't find it now but I think
> > > there
> > > > > were
> > > > > > complains that this name doesn't fit the 8+3 rule for old
> > > file
> > > > > > systems and causes trouble on some devices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think when Steve coded this he expected that the *.typ file
> > > is
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the output directory, not somewhere else. My conclusions:
> > > > > > - I think it is an error to create the copy in the source
> > > > > directory.
> > > > > > - I see no reason to create a copy with the prepended "x", I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > just create or alter the file in the given output directory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Steve: What case am I missing? What's the reason for the
> > > > > different
> > > > > > name in the copy?
> > > > > > @all: Does anybody rely on this behaviour?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gerd
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